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part of these shipments will involve military and naval supplies, equipment, etc., and that class of work involves land-grant deductions and the complications and time incident to the handling of that class of work. The accounts are now being received in rapidly accelerating volume, and it is important not only that they be expertly and accurately audited but they must be currently audited.

Audit Division, $4,137,267.-Most all of the anticipated increase in personnel for 1943 is, of course, due to the increase in national-defense activity. This huge expenditure of funds will obviously cause a tremendous increase in the work of this Division. This can be readily visualized by comparing the actual receipt of 11,652,048 vouchers in 1941 with the estimated receipt of 29,000,000 in 1942 and 38,000,000 in 1943 and by noting the type of work involved, such as, (1) the construction and equipping of plants, cantonments, fortifications, vessels, and housing buildings; (2) the manufacture of airplanes, tanks, guns, and ammunition; and (3) for the purchase of supplies, equipment, and material for the largely augmented military services.

Therefore, while the estimates may appear large they in fact represent the carefully considered needs of this Division in order to make a reasonably current audit. If the personnel is not furnished, it will mean that there will be a serious delay in the audit; this delay will be in proportion to any reduction in the estimates. We feel that the Congress wants a prompt audit and we propose to make such an audit if given tke necessary personnel.

Postal Accounts Division, $276,062.-The increase requested is necessary to enable the Division to keep current the audit of the anticipated increased volume of postal, money order, postal savings, and United States savings bond business due to improved business conditions and to defense spending. There has been a 10-percent increase in money order business alone since July 1, 1941.

By the act of February 19, 1941, Public Law No. 7, the Secretary of the Treasury was authorized to sell through the facilities of the Postal Service defense stamps and bonds. Effective May 1, 1941, defense stamps were placed on sale in 8,425 post offices, not theretofore postal-savings depository offices, and the number of regular postal-savings depository post offices selling postal-savings (defense) stamps and postal-savings certificates were increased from 7,200 to 8,010. addition, the number of post offices selling United States savings bonds was increased, July 1, 1941, to 5,047 from 4,925.

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Defense stamps will be redeemed for cash or taken in payment of defense bonds and be forwarded in accounts of postmasters for credit to this office. Those stamps are either attached to cards or to the pages of an album and the value of the redeemed stamps must be ascertained by examination of the cards and albums before credit can be allowed the postmaster, and exchanges of stamps for bonds will probably reach its peak about the beginning of the fiscal year 1943.

The estimate for personnel is based on past experience and production records and represents the minimum requirements necessary to perform the anticipated volume of work.

Accounting and Bookkeeping Division, $215,937.—The normal expansion of the functions and activities of the Government in itself adds perceptibly each year to the volume and complexity of the work of the Accounting and Bookkeeping Division. In the present fiscal year, due to the enormously advanced expenditure programs for national defense, there has been a tremendous increase in the volume of collection and expenditure documents to be examined and recorded; in the number of accounts to be established and maintained; in the number and size of accounts to be examined and settled; in the number and character of adjustments to be made; and in every phase of the work of this Division.

The present force is altogether inadequate. It could not possibly keep abreast of the current work load. Very essential matters which could not be postponed have had to take precedence over other matters and, consequently, a considerable accumulation of work has already amassed.

The increased personnel herein sought, by very careful calculation and planning, has been determined to be the minimum requirements for accomplishing the work of this Division with that standard of efficiency so vitally necessary for reasonable protection of the public interests in this emergency.

Reconciliation and Clearance Division, $578,552.—The Reconciliation and Clearance Division will have a tremendous increase in work flow during the fiscal year 1943, over prior years, due mainly to the expenditure of nationaldefense fund appropriated for the fiscal years 1942 and 1943. The number and

size of disbursing and depositary accounts has already begun an upward trend and the increase will be rapid and certain. It is expected that the normal increase in depositary accounts will be augmented by over 100 new accounts in accordance with a contemplated revision of the Treasurer's account, as submitted to this office.

Some phases of the work of this Division, such as the verification of the rate of pay and allowances of military personnel, the recording of same, and the computation of military pay rolls, is expected to increase 200 percent or more, while the examination, reconciliation, and segregation of disbursing officers' accounts will probably increase in excess of 50 percent. Searching, transcribing, recording, and the numerous other functions of this Division will probably increase in the same proportion.

The normal increase in the number of depositary accounts will be in close proportion to the increase in disbursing officers' accounts, but the number of checks to be worked in the audit and reconciliation of these accounts will be greatly increased over the present.

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Mr. WOODRUM. Your item for contingent expenses is as follows: Contingent expenses: For traveling expenses, materials, supplies, equipment, and services; procurement and exchange of books, lawbooks, books of reference, and periodicals, typewriters, calculating machines, and other office appliances, including their development, repairs, and maintenance, including one motorpropelled passenger-carrying vehicle; and miscellaneous items, $498,000.

ITEMS OF INCREASE IN ESTIMATE

Mr. BAITY. The following is an explanation of the increases under this item.

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These increases are all necessitated by the expansion of the other activities of the Office.

PRINTING AND BINDING

Mr. WOODRUM. Your item for printing and binding is as follows:

For all printing and binding for the General Accounting Office, including monthly and annual editions of selected decisions of the Comptroller General of the United States, $112,000.

ITEMS OF INCREASE IN ESTIMATE

Mr. BAITY. The explanation of the increases there is as follows: 08 Tabulating cards, printed forms and letterheads__ 08 Printing and binding decisions and the annual report, and the binding of pay rolls, record books, etc..........

$15, 930

14, 070

30, 000

AMOUNT REQUESTED OF, AND ALLOWED BY THE BUREAU OF THE BUDGET

Mr. WOODRUM. Mr. Baity, will you tell us something about this request you are making of the committee?

Mr. BAITY. In lieu of a statement I wish to insert the justification letter sent to the committee a few days ago by Comptroller General Warren. That statement presents a true picture of our situation. I do, however, wish to emphasize the statement made that since our estimates were prepared billions of dollars have been appropriated, and had we known of these additional appropriations, naturally our estimates would have been larger. However, we are willing to accept what the Budget has approved, and will next year, if conditions demand, submit a supplemental estimate for 1943.

Mr. STARNES. Mr. Baity, will not the greater part of this work come when we begin to feel the impact of these expenditures? Probably your work will be heavier 18 months or 2 years from now.

Mr. BAITY. It will not be that long; no, sir.

Mr. STARNES. It will come earlier?

Mr. BAITY. It is reaching us now. It is rising every week. Our carry-over into 1943 will be tremendous.

Mr. STARNES. That is what I had in mind to bring out.

Mr. BAITY. That is correct.

Mr. WOODRUM. You have a request here for approximately a $6,000,000 increase for 1943 over 1942?

Mr. BAITY. That is right.

Mr. WOODRUM. This does not include your lend-lease money?
Mr. BAITY. No, sir.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Or any relief work money?

Mr. BAITY. No, sir.

Mr. BAITY. We estimated $20,004,934. The Budget wished to take out of that an amount of $2,450,000 out of money already appropriated or that would be appropriated to allocate to us.

Then we had an item of $823,000 for our emergency work that is on hand-and it is more than we figured it would be-and they took that out, and said that they would consider that for an estimate later.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Was that included in the $20,000,000?

Mr. BAITY. It was; yes, sir. Then they put in an item of $255,000 for administrative promotions in 1943. That is included in what they have approved for us. That cuts our estimates down to the amount that the Budget approved of $16,936,490.

Mr. WOODRUM. Which you say is not going to be enough to do the job?

Mr. BAITY. Well, it would not look that way, Mr. Chairman. But we are not asking for any more now, and we will not know until we get into next year; we may have to have more money and we may not. But, as I say, we will have to meet that if conditions demand it.

PROPOSED INCREASE IN NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES

Mr. FITZPATRICK. If this estimate is approved, how many more employees would you put on around July 1?

Mr. BAITY. If we get the lend-lease money and the emergency money and these estimates, 3,500.

Mr. WOODRUM. Are they all to be from the civil service? Mr. BAITY. Yes, sir. We have not appointed anyone since July 1 except those certified to us by the Civil Service Commission.

Mr. FITZPATRICK. Do you ever find that the civil-service lists are not up to date, that they do not have a sufficient number on their lists to fulfill your requests?

Mr. BAITY. Mr. Fitzpatrick, we have had some difficulty in getting people from the Civil Service Commission.

Mr. HOUSTON. Are you short of people now?

Mr. BAITY. Yes, sir. We have funds for 1942 and are employing people to commit what we have on hand.

Mr. FITZPATRICK. And you take those people from the civil service? Mr. BAITY. Everyone whom we hire must come from civil service. Mr. HOUSTON. What type of people is it that you need?

Mr. BAITY. Auditors, comptometer operators, typists, file clerks, claims settlers. But when we get to auditors and claims settlers, we try to promote people who have been in the office a long time and are experienced in the work, rather than taking on somebody from the outside who is not familiar with our work.

Mr. HOUSTON. And that is a good policy.

Mr. WOODRUM. Are there existing civil-service registers from which you can get the people you want?

Mr. BAITY. There are for almost everything. I think the registers are depleted on comptometer operators and stenographers, and are pretty low on typists.

Mr. WOODRUM. Will they allow you to appoint subject to later certification of the Civil Service Commission?

Mr. BAITY. I think in that instance they will certify a person subject to their passing an examination, but for a limited appointment only. But they are all certified by the Commission to us.

Mr. WOODRUM. Several of those examinations are being conducted, and they will examine these people any time they come down there; that is, for positions of stenographer and those of which they are short. Mr. HOUSTON. What are your entrance rates of pay for stenographers and typists?

Mr. BAITY. $1,260 for junior typist; $1,440 for senior typist; and $1,440 for junior stenographers.

STATUTORY PAY INCREASES

Mr. FITZPATRICK. Whom will the statutory pay increases affect, and how long must they have been in the service?

Mr. BANY. Anyone under grade 11 that has not had an increase in pay in 18 months will get one-step promotion, which is $60, up to grade 5, and $100 from grade 5 up to grade 11. But those in grade 11 and above must not have had an increase in pay for 30 months. Then, when they get that increase, they cannot get another one for another 18 months, or 30 months, whichever case controls. Mr. WOODRUM. What is the pay in grade 5?

Mr. BAITY. $2,000.

Mr. HENDRICKS. Mr. Baity, where a person is getting $1,620 and has bad just recently gotten the $1,620, how long must they be there before they get an increase?

Mr. BAITY. They will have to wait 18 months.

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Mr. HENDRICKS. And then they are promoted $60?

Mr. BAITY. Yes. The truth is this plan of promotion, while it will give everybody a promotion every 18 months or every 30 months, I think in the long run will be cheaper to the Government than the present procedure. However, we have not made on our regular civil-service rolls many promotions for years, because we have never had any increase in our regular appropriation.

Mr. HENDRICKS. One more question along that line. You cannot reclassify that individual, can you?

Mr. BAITY. We can take a position that we think is entitled to a higher grade and submit it to the Civil Service Commission, recommending a higher classification. If they approve, we get the reclassification. If they do not, the clerk stays where he is.

Mr. HENDRICKS. I want to make one observation, Mr. Chairman, that from the estimates submitted here this particular agency has always received what they requested, and in one instance a little more than they requested.

Mr. WOODRUM. Yes. We have always felt that this was one of the most important agencies that we had.

LEND-LEASE MONEY

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. Mr. Baity, what is this $2,450,000 lend-lease money that you have in contemplation. Is that for auditing lendlease transactions exclusively?

Mr. BAITY. Any part of our work, Mr. Wigglesworth, that has to do with lend-lease. As I understand it, they are trying to keep a separate account of all lend-lease costs, and departments have been asked to handle accounts in such a way that they can advise what they expend under lend-lease.

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. How much have you had, if anything, from lend-lease funds, for this purpose, to date? Have you been doing any lend-lease work to date?

Mr. BAITY. Some. And we could get some money right now for lend-lease work, but we have saved appropriated funds that we are committing. Before this year is over we are going to ask for lendlease money, a small amount, for this fiscal year.

INCREASE IN PERSONNEL FOR OFFICE OF COMPTROLLER GENERAL

Mr. WIGGLESWORTH. I note that under the Office of Comptroller General you are asking for an increase of 62 in personnel calling for $223,339; 21 attorneys, $153,942; and the balance in the Chief Clerk's office. Is not that a rather heavy increase in attorneys in that division?

Mr. BAITY. Our legal work is increasing by leaps and bounds. Every day we are getting more requests for opinions as to what to do about this or what to do about something else, and the actual requirements will call for the number of attorneys that we have requested.

INCREASE IN VOLUME OF WORK OF AUDIT DIVISION

Mr. WOODRUM. Is there anything in the justification statement hat you have filed, Mr. Baity, in the way of a statistical statement

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