Mr. FINNEGAN. What would have been the cost of that acquisition? Mr. ALLNUTT. If we had acquired it in that time frame approximately $5 million. Mr. DINGELL. That would be the capital cost? Mr. ALLNUTT. Yes. Mr. FINNEGAN. And now the annual cost and operating cost would be what over its amortized life? I think that you can submit that for the record. Mr. ALLNUTT. Yes. Mr. FINNEGAN. Could you compare fairly close there, too, and give us your best horseback judgment? Mr. ALLNUTT. I can in about 30 seconds. Mr. FINNEGAN. All right. You are a remarkable man. Mr. ALLNUTT. I have a remarkable man with me. Mr. FINNEGAN. And I say that with respect. Mr. ALLNUTT. Between a million and a million and a half. We can give you a precise number. Mr. FINNEGAN. Between a million and a million and a half on an annual basis. Now the leasing of computers; how much? Mr. ALLNUTT. Considerably more since it has to be done if you take the NRC instance, they are going out, they have to go out less than full computer, and when you go for time-sharing in blocks of time less than full use, the cost is certainly more. Mr. DINGELL. And you have in addition to this, anticompetitive questions, you have questions that relate to security, national security, security of information in hand and you have the possibility of different persons utilizing that, the person who operates that computer having for himself and for others who might use that computer certain advantages in terms of information and Government contracts and so forth; do you not? Mr. ALLNUTT. Yes, sir, depending on what kind of information and which of this you are talking about and which sort of information goes outside. Mr. DINGELL. All of these are very real possibilities? Mr. ALLNUTT. They are unless protected against. Mr. DINGELL. And computer programing ordinary competence and certain safeguards on the computer-they print themselves checks and steal money and extract from computers all manner of useful and good information. Mr. ALLNUTT. So far the human mind is one step ahead of the computer. Mr. DINGELL. I think that is a fair statement. Mr. ALLNUTT. They are gaining on us. Mr. DINGELL. What, the computers on us or we on them? Mr. ALLNUTT. I am not sure which is which, Congressman. Mr. DINGELL. Mr. Finnegan. Mr. FINNEGAN. You stated that when was it that you did try to seek this authority? Mr. ALLNUTT. In 1975, and there were continual discussions into 1976. Mr. FINNEGAN. At that time that computer would not be solely for NRC purposes? Mr. ALLNUTT. That is right. Mr. FINNEGAN. It would be ERDA and NRC; is that right? Mr. ALLNUTT. Yes. Mr. DINGELL. Now, isn't it fair to say the missions of both ERDA and NRC would have been substantially-and also reinforced by having access to the same computer and the same computer data and information? Mr. ALLNUTT. Mostly, I think you could say that with regard to some uses of the computer. Some of the uses of the computer is simply to payroll and that kind of thing. Mr. DINGELL. I am aware of that and I don't quarrel with that, but that would be in a substantial number of instances also a fact, would it not? Mr. ALLNUTT. Yes; it would. Mr. DINGELL. Is there any conflict between our friends from NRC and ERDA? Mr. GOSSICK. No, sir. I might add one point for clarification. The work that we were doing on the ERDA computer was primarily the scientific and technical work that I mentioned on Friday in support of our licensing process. Now, we are not going out to the commercial sector for that. We are going to Brookhaven Laboratory, an ERDA facility, for all arrangements to get that work done. The other work involves payroll, accounting personnel, and the like, which we can solve by contract support or by use of minicomputers which was discussed. Mr. FINNEGAN. There will be no licensing work that would go out to outside computers? Mr. GOSSICK. No, sir, that is going to be done on the Brookhaven Laboratory computer and also some work in-house through the NIH support. Mr. FINNEGAN. No further questions. Mr. DINGELL. Now I notice the hour is 6 o'clock. You have had a long day. You have been long patient and I apologize for the inconvenience and thank you for your time and help and assistance. The committee will stand adjourned until the call of the Chair. [The following material was received for the record:] 21-467 O - 78 - 15 As you know, the Administration's letter of January 21, 1977 trans- We request that you testify on both days and that the Directors of In order to have ample opportunity for questions by the Subcommittee, we request that your oral statement each day be limited to 10 pages, double-spaced, on one side of non-legal sized paper. Your detailed statement for the record may be of any length. Please deliver to the Subcommittee staff office 5 copies of each such statement for the April 29 hearing by 5:00 p.m. on April 27, 1977 and 5 copies of such statements for the May 2 hearing by 5:00 p.m. on April 29. Please being 65 copies of each statement to the hearing room each day for distribution by the Subcommittee. We have a copy of your February 17, 1977 testimony before the Interior Committee, as well as the lengthy statements of other NRC officials before the Interior Committee. The Honorable Marcus A. Rowden April 18, 1977 We request that your detailed statement respond to the following matters: 1. We invite your comment on the provisons of H. R. 3455 and, if available, the actions taken by other committees concerning this legislation. 2. (a) Please provide a table showing the organization of the NRC at the Commission level. On the table show the number of authorized positions for each office at such level for FY 1977 and the number of persons in such positions as of April 1, 1977, as well as the number of positions authorized for FY 1978 under H. R. 3455, as introduced. (b) Please provide a second organization table for all other NRC offices, divisions and branches and the Atomic Safety and Licensing Appeal Panel and Board showing the same data. 3. Please provide a table showing the NRC authorization and personnel request to OMB for FY 1978 before January 20, 1977 and after January 20, 1977 and indicate the levels approved by OMB after each request for the following programs: Nuclear Reactor Regulation, Standards Development, Inspection and Enforcement; Nuclear Regulatory Research; Program Technical Support; Program Direction and Administration and the sub-programs thereunder. 4. Please provide tables showing: (a) the number and location of nuclear power facilities licensed to operate in the United States as of April 1, 1977 and indicate the date commercial operation began for each such facility. Also, show the expected life of each such facility and the energy produced daily (in kwh). (b) the number and location of nuclear power facilities for which a construction permit and/or an operating license is pending as of April 1, 1977, the date such application was filed with the NRC, the current status of each such application, the steps remaining to complete NRC action on each such application, the estimated date when NRC action on such application will be completed, the estimated date when construction will be completed and the plant operating, and the estimated energy (in kwh) which is being delayed by any non-NRC action (e.g., State or Court proceedings) as of April 1, 1977. Please identify that action on the table and state the reasons for delay. 5. Has the NRC or its predecessor ever denied a license or permit application for a nuclear power facility? Give details. (a) What is the latest updated estimate of nuclear energy production that will be available in 1980, 1985, 1990 and 2000? The Honorable Marcus A. Rowden Page 3 update? (b) When was this update made? (c) What was the latest estimate for those years prior to that 6. The NRC has provided to us a flow chart of about 40 blocks showing the major dicision making points in the reactor licensing process. The print, however, is far too small to read for any meaningful analysis. The NRC has also listed 9 major decision points. However, it does not show the time lapse between such points. Please identify four plants licensed for operation since 1974, which will provide a representative sample of the time it takes to license these plants, show on a table the date each such major decision point was reached and indicate when the site for each plant was approved. Also, indicate when permits from nonNRC agencies and States were applied for and issued. 7. Please provide a list of requests for amendments to operating licenses pending as of April 1, 1977, including the identity of the requestor, the purpose of the amendment, the date of the request and an estimate of the time it will take to process and act finally on the request, and the number of staff years required for each request. 8. (a) Please provide an estimate of the cost to the Government (NRC only) as of FY 1977 of processing to final action an application for (i) a construction permit and (ii) an operating license, and an estimate of the staff years required for each. What portion, if any, of these costs are covered by fees charged to the applicant? 9. We note that the Atomic Safety and Licensing Appeal Panel has 7 members, the Atomic Safety and Licensing Board Panel has 64 members and the Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards has 14 members. (a) Please provide the amount obligated in FY 1976 for each of these organizations, including travel, subsistance and contract pay costs, exclusive of technical staff support. (b) Please provide a copy of the conflict of interest regulations applicable to each organization. 10. (a) Please provide to us a copy of the NRC agreements with New York and Maryland relative to joint hearings in the licensing of nuclear facilities and explain to us the advantages and disadvantages of such agreements. (b) How much time will be saved in processing license applications in these States as a result of these agreements? |