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AGRICULTURE, RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND
RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS?
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HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS

SECOND SESSION

SUBCOMMITTEE ON AGRICULTURE, RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND

RELATED AGENCIES

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman BOB TRAXLER, Michigan

VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska MATTHEW F. McHUGH, New York

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii

HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
WES WATKINS, Oklahoma
JACK HIGHTOWER, Texas
NEAL SMITH, Iowa
BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

Robert B. FOSTER and HENRY E. MOORE, Staff Assistants

PART 3

AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS

Soil Conservation Service
Agricultural Stabilization and Conservation Service.
Office of Secretary/Departmental Administration
Office of the General Counsel
Office of Governmental and Public Affairs

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania NEAL SMITH, Iowa

JACK EDWARDS, Alabama JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York

JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois

CLARENCE E. MILLER, Ohio DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin

LAWRENCE COUGHLIN, Pennsylvania EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California

C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida LOUIS STOKES, Ohio

JACK F. KEMP, New York TOM BEVILL, Alabama

RALPH REGULA, Ohio BILL CHAPPELL, JR., Florida

GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania

ELDON RUDD, Arizona BOB TRAXLER, Michigan

CARL D. PURSELL, Michigan JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts

MICKEY EDWARDS, Oklahoma CHARLES WILSON, Texas

BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana BILL GREEN, New York NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington

TOM LOEFFLER, Texas MATTHEW F. McHUGH, New York

JERRY LEWIS, California WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida

JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Mlinois JACK HIGHTOWER, Texas

HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky
MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California
VIC FAZIO, California
W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina
LES AUCOIN, Oregon
DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii
WES WATKINS, Oklahoma
WILLIAM H. GRAY III, Pennsylvania
BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey
WILLIAM R. RATCHFORD, Connecticut
BILL BONER, Tennessee
STENY H. HOYER, Maryland
BOB CARR, Michigan
ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York

KEITH F. MAINLAND, Clerk and Staff Director

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AGRICULTURE, RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND RE-
LATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1985

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1984.

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SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE

WITNESSES

JOHN B. CROWELL, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR NATURAL RESOURCES

AND ENVIRONMENT
PETER C. MYERS, CHIEF, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE
DAVID G. UNGER, ASSOCIATE CHIEF, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE
WILLIAM E. GARDNER, JR., DIRECTOR, BUDGET PLANNING AND ANALY.

SIS DIVISION, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE
ROBERT E. SHERMAN, BUDGET OFFICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

INTRODUCTORY REMARKS

Mr. WHITTEN. As I stated earlier, we have tried to have an assistant secretary when we got to policy questions and I expect you to turn to your associates as you see fit, but we will be glad to hear from you, as I say, to hit the highlights and your full statement will be in the record.

Mr. CROWELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

To Mr. Myers' right is Mr. Bill Gardner, Budget Officer for the Soil Conservation Service, and to my left is Mr. Robert Sherman of the Department's Budget Office.

TARGETING

Mr. WHITTEN. Let me raise one question with you Mr. Crowell. Last year we went along with you on targeting but restored funds to keep the Soil Conservation Service operating as it was so that the resources of the entire country would be protected.

As I understand it, now you are recommending that we go along with correcting the worst situations, neglecting the rest. But then the rest can get in as bad a condition as those areas you propose to treat. Is that an appropriate description of what you propose?

Mr. CROWELL. Mr. Chairman, that is not an accurate characterization of what we are proposing this year, sir.

Mr. WHITTEN. Where does your proposal vary from the way I described it?

Mr. CROWELL. It is true that we are continuing with our proposals for targeting.

Mr. WHITTEN. You are targeting the areas which are in bad shape, aren't you?

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