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AGRICULTURE, RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND
RELATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS
FOR 1985

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE
COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

NINETY-EIGHTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

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Office of Secretary/Departmental Administration
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Printed for the use of the Committee on Appropriations

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WASHINGTON: 1984

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1924 pt. 3

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

JAMIE L. WHITTEN, Mississippi, Chairman

EDWARD P. BOLAND, Massachusetts WILLIAM H. NATCHER, Kentucky

NEAL SMITH, Iowa

JOSEPH P. ADDABBO, New York
CLARENCE D. LONG, Maryland
SIDNEY R. YATES, Illinois
DAVID R. OBEY, Wisconsin
EDWARD R. ROYBAL, California
LOUIS STOKES, Ohio
TOM BEVILL, Alabama

BILL CHAPPELL, JR., Florida

BILL ALEXANDER, Arkansas

JOHN P. MURTHA, Pennsylvania

BOB TRAXLER, Michigan

JOSEPH D. EARLY, Massachusetts
CHARLES WILSON, Texas

LINDY (MRS. HALE) BOGGS, Louisiana
NORMAN D. DICKS, Washington
MATTHEW F. McHUGH, New York
WILLIAM LEHMAN, Florida
JACK HIGHTOWER, Texas

MARTIN OLAV SABO, Minnesota
JULIAN C. DIXON, California

VIC FAZIO, California

W. G. (BILL) HEFNER, North Carolina

LES AUCOIN, Oregon

DANIEL K. AKAKA, Hawaii

WES WATKINS, Oklahoma

WILLIAM H. GRAY III, Pennsylvania

BERNARD J. DWYER, New Jersey

WILLIAM R. RATCHFORD, Connecticut

BILL BONER, Tennessee

STENY H. HOYER, Maryland

BOB CARR, Michigan

ROBERT J. MRAZEK, New York

SILVIO O. CONTE, Massachusetts
JOSEPH M. McDADE, Pennsylvania
JACK EDWARDS, Alabama
JOHN T. MYERS, Indiana

J. KENNETH ROBINSON, Virginia
CLARENCE E. MILLER, Ohio
LAWRENCE COUGHLIN, Pennsylvania
C. W. BILL YOUNG, Florida
JACK F. KEMP, New York
RALPH REGULA, Ohio
GEORGE M. O'BRIEN, Illinois
VIRGINIA SMITH, Nebraska
ELDON RUDD, Arizona
CARL D. PURSELL, Michigan
MICKEY EDWARDS, Oklahoma
BOB LIVINGSTON, Louisiana
BILL GREEN, New York
TOM LOEFFLER, Texas
JERRY LEWIS, California
JOHN EDWARD PORTER, Illinois
HAROLD ROGERS, Kentucky

KEITH F. MAINLAND, Clerk and Staff Director

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A: 9/13/84

AGRICULTURE, RURAL DEVELOPMENT AND RE-
LATED AGENCIES APPROPRIATIONS FOR 1985

MONDAY, FEBRUARY 27, 1984.

SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE

WITNESSES

JOHN B. CROWELL, ASSISTANT SECRETARY FOR NATURAL RESOURCES
AND ENVIRONMENT

PETER C. MYERS, CHIEF, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE

DAVID G. UNGER, ASSOCIATE CHIEF, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE
WILLIAM E. GARDNER, JR., DIRECTOR, BUDGET PLANNING AND ANALY-
SIS DIVISION, SOIL CONSERVATION SERVICE

ROBERT E. SHERMAN, BUDGET OFFICE, DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

INTRODUCTORY REMARKS

Mr. WHITTEN. As I stated earlier, we have tried to have an assistant secretary when we got to policy questions and I expect you to turn to your associates as you see fit, but we will be glad to hear from you, as I say, to hit the highlights and your full statement will be in the record.

Mr. CROWELL. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

To Mr. Myers' right is Mr. Bill Gardner, Budget Officer for the Soil Conservation Service, and to my left is Mr. Robert Sherman of the Department's Budget Office.

TARGETING

Mr. WHITTEN. Let me raise one question with you Mr. Crowell. Last year we went along with you on targeting but restored funds to keep the Soil Conservation Service operating as it was so that the resources of the entire country would be protected.

As I understand it, now you are recommending that we go along with correcting the worst situations, neglecting the rest. But then the rest can get in as bad a condition as those areas you propose to treat. Is that an appropriate description of what you propose?

Mr. CROWELL. Mr. Chairman, that is not an accurate characterization of what we are proposing this year, sir.

Mr. WHITTEN. Where does your proposal vary from the way I described it?

Mr. CROWELL. It is true that we are continuing with our proposals for targeting.

Mr. WHITTEN. You are targeting the areas which are in bad shape, aren't you?

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