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people found some sense in them. We are not saying that everybody who appeared was for us.

Senator HUGHES. I see no objection to using that at the end, after we have heard the other witnesses.

Senator WAGNER. Why not hold that until the end?

Mr. SCHENKER. I beg your pardon?

Senator WAGNER. Do you want to offer it, or hold it until a later date? What is the final judgment about it?

Mr. HEALY. My judgment, in view of the suggestions made here, is to hold it until a later time, and not to offer it at this time. Senator WAGNER. Very well.

Mr. SCHENKER. I think that completes our presentation.

Mr. HEALY. I suppose it is understood that we can be heard at a later time, if desired?

Senator WAGNER (chairman of the subcommittee). Oh, yes; we do not conduct this in an inflexible manner. What the committee seeks

is information.

Senator HUGHES. We probably shall want to hear them again.

Senator WAGNER. Yes.

Mr. HEALY. We shortened our presentation at the suggestion of the chairman.

Senator WAGNER. Yes; I might say that Judge Healy had a number of other examples to give us; but I thought that for the present the committee had sufficient, at least, upon which to hear the other side.

Senator HUGHES. We have had a good many.

Senator WAGNER (chairman of the subcommittee). We have finished with you?

Then who is to speak for the other side?

Mr. BUNKER. I am to speak; my name is Bunker.

Senator WAGNER. I suggest that we go on on Friday morning; that will give you all day tomorrow to prepare your presentation.

Mr. BUNKER. Yes; Mr. Chairman. Of course, we do not want to hold things up.

Senator WAGNER. Yes; I know that you do not want to do that. Very well. You are going to open the presentation, Mr. Bunker? Will you be the first witness?

Mr. BUNKER. Yes; the first witness.

Senator WAGNER. Very well. Of course, we cannot regulate the time, because we do not know just how late we shall sit or how long you will take. We are not going to limit anybody.

Mr. BUNKER. Do you want some more names?

Senator WAGNER. We have here Mr. Bellamy, Mr. Quinn, and Mr. Bunker.

Mr. BUNKER. And then we can reappear?

Senator WAGNER. Oh, yes; we shall not be rigid about it. The only thing is that you should avoid, I think, any cumulative matter. Mr. BUNKER. Of course.

Senator WAGNER (chairman of the subcommittee). Yes; we shall not have any difficulty about that; this is no court.

Very well; then the committee will meet on Friday morning at 10:30. Mr. Bunker will be the first witness.

(Thereupon, at 4:05 p. m., a recess was taken until Friday, April 12, 1940, at 10:30 a. m.)

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INVESTMENT COMPANIES

HEARINGS

BEFORE A

SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON BANKING AND CURRENCY UNITED STATES SENATE

SEVENTY-SIXTH CONGRESS

THIRD SESSION

ON

S. 3580

A BILL TO PROVIDE FOR THE REGISTRATION AND
REGULATION OF INVESTMENT COMPANIES AND
INVESTMENT ADVISERS, AND FOR
OTHER PURPOSES

PART 2

APRIL 12, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 22, 23, 24, 25 and 26, 1940

Printed for the use of the Committee on Banking and Currency

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CONTENTS

Bolton-Smith, Carlile, attorney, Securities and Exchange Commis-
sion...

Statement of—

Page

Adams, Hon. Charles F., Boston, Mass__

Adler, Robert S., president and director, Selected American Shares,
Inc., Chicago, Ill

Amory, Roger, Boston, Mass

Anderson, O. Kelley, president, Consolidated Investment Trust,
Boston, Mass_

557

534, 537

580

642

Andrews, T. Coleman, member of committee of the American Institute
of Accountants, Richmond, Va...

689

Bane, Baldwin B., director of the Registration Division, Securities and
Exchange Commission - - -

835

Bellamy, F. Wilder, president, National Bond & Share Corporation,
New York City..

418

Berle, Rudolf, general counsel, Investment Counsel Association of
America, New York City..

742

893

509

623

325, 399, 1052

463

589

546

621

765

595

567

543

Bullock, Hugh, vice president, Calvin Bullock Co., New York City. Bundy, Harvey H., chairman of the trustees, Boston Personal Property Trust, Boston, Mass_

Bunker, Arthur H., executive vice president, The Lehman Corpora-
tion, New York City.

Cabot, Paul C., president, State Street Investment Corporation,
Boston, Mass

Curtis, Charles P., trustee, Century Shares Trust, Boston, Mass..
Curtis, Louis, partner of Brown Bros. Harriman & Co., Boston, Mass_
Dewey, Bradley, president, Dewey & Almy Chemical Co., Cambridge,
Mass..

Dodd, Prof. E. Merrick, Harvard Law School, Cambridge, Mass..
Eaton, Charles F., Jr., president, Eaton & Howard, Inc., Boston,
Mass

Eberstadt, Ferdinand, president of F. Eberstadt & Co., New York
City

Gardiner, William Tudor, chairman, Incorporated Investors, Boston,
Mass

Goldsmith, Raymond W., assistant director, Trading and Exchange
Division, Securities and Exchange Commission
Greene, Francis, assistant director, Trading and Exchange Division,
Securities and Exchange Commission..........

Griswold, Merrill, chairman, Massachusetts Investors Trust of
Boston, Mass.

Healy, Robert E., Commissioner, Securities and Exchange Com-
mission

812

863

847

930, 1047, 1050

Hollands, John H., attorney, Securities and Exchange Commission -
Johnston, Douglas T., president, Johnston & Lagerquist, Inc. and
vice president, Investment Counsel Association of America,
New York City.

Long, Hugh W., president, New York Stocks, Inc., and Manhattan
Bond Fund, Inc., New York City.

Loomis, Robert H., president, Loomis, Sayles & Co., Inc., Boston,
Mass

1049

711

584

706, 760

Lord, Andrew J., president, Lord, Abbett & Co., Inc., and president,
Affiliated Fund, Inc., New York City.

617

McGrath, Raymond D., executive vice president, General American
Investors Co., Inc., New York City..

425

Motley, Warren, counsel, Massachusetts Investors Trust, Boston,
Mass

651

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