Is this fact generally known? It seems to point to his having been born at the residence of his maternal grandfather, William Shrimpton, the Manor Farm, Whitchurch. R. A. SHRIMPTON. King's Inns Library, Dublin. "NOT ROOM ENOUGH TO SWING A CAT. Has any one ever been able to state definitely how much space was requisite for the performance of swinging a "cat-o'-nine-tails," to which this familiar phrase is supposed to refer? Probably not, for the space necessary for accomplishing this feat would depend both on the wielder of the said "cat" and the length thereof; besides, the space utilized being more or less in an upward and downward as well as horizontal direction, it would leave plenty of roomat all events, to the imagination-for widely different estimates as to the extent of the flourish made by the "cat-o'-ninetails." But who has ever heard of swinging a whip when wielded or used in chastisement upon man or beast? In return for having thus pulled the theory of the "cat-o'-nine-tails to pieces, the following extract from an old letter, dated 3 Feb., 1814 (found 6 Feb., 1914), is given, as it is considered to contain the origin of the above well-known saying, particularly as therein a definite amount of the space is conveyed at once to the mind. Queries. formation on family matters of only private interest WE must request correspondents desiring into affix their names and addresses to their queries, in order that answers may be sent to them direct. “TREASURE-TROVE."-SIR JAMES MURRAY will be very glad to have copies of the original texts (with dates and full references) that are represented by the following entries in Nicholas Statham's Abridgement '*: 66 quere sil de [? deuie] deuaunt quil soit troue si ses Cestuy a qui le proprete est auera tresoure troue executourz le auerront &c il semble que cy [sic] quia non competit regi nisi quando nemo sit quis abscondit thesaurum, &c., come appiert en vne cas direlonde &c - Michaelis. xxii. H. VI." (leaf g viij). regi et non domino libertatis nisi sit per verba "Thesaurum inuentum competit domino meo specialia et ces en presentement ou autrement prescripcioun &c-Pasche xxii. E. III." (leaf h ij). "Punysshement pur treasoure troue pris et emporte de vverk [sic] de meere e vvay sera per emprisonement et par fyne et nemi de vie et de membre-Michaelis. xxii. E. III.” (leaf h ij b). As Bohn's 'Lowndes' Bibliographer's the Year Books of those times." for the terms referred to has not resulted Some examination of the ordinary edition in the tracing of Statham's sources; but the phrases may have been overlooked, and may The said letter was written to the Admir-ments. possibly be found in one of the other abridgeA search in MS. Year-Books would alty from Woolwich by Mr. Bradshaw, be practically impossible. Q. V. Commander of H.M store-ship Malabar, who stated that, as his own quarters on ALTARS.-N. & Q.' contains many referboard were required for a certain Commis-ences to altars, both Christian and pagan. sioner and his suite (going as passengers), "the only cabin allotted to my use is the mate's under the poop deck mid-ships, where the mizen mast comes through, being so confined, that there is not space enough to swing a cott.""-Adm. Navy Board, in Letters No. 1310. Date ut supra. E. H. FAIRBROTHER. INDEXING OF NEWSPAPERS.-In his short article Disraeli's Juvenilia' (ante, p. 125) COL. PRIDEAUX says: "I believe none of the great daily papers is indexed, with the exception of The Times." It may be worth putting on record in N. & Q. that The Glasgow Herald has been indexed on a very complete scale since 1907, and that seven volumes have now been issued and are available to the public. Cathcart. G. "Cot, naut. A sort of bed-frame suspended to the beams" (Annandale's 'Dictionary'). Can any reader contribute information concerning altars of antiquarian interest of which little or no notice has yet appeared in the press? The writer, who has a collec tion of illustrations of altars belonging to many religions and ages, would be glad to add to it. A statement made in a recent lecture on London churches pointed to the altar at St. Bartholomew's the Great as the only pre-Reformation altar in the City. Is this so? F. H. KEMP. 43, Fordwych Road, Hampstead, N.W. JEREMIAH HORROCKS, ASTRONOMER, D. 1641.-Is any portrait of this astronomer known to exist? The D.N.B.' mentions none. G. J. GRAY. 14, Church Street, Chesterton, Cambridge. * Printed for Pynson, at Rouen, in imitation of court-hand, probably in 1491. The printer's spell ing is somewhat erratic. AUTHORS OF QUOTATIONS WANTED.-Who is the author of the following ?— Bolton. The Lord let the house of a brute to the soul of a "NAPOLEON'S DIVERSIONS AT ST. HELENA."-From earliest boyhood I remember to have seen an impressive picture, the Anger, which, far sweeter than trickling drops original design of which was ascribed to of honey, rises in the bosom of a man like smoke.' Napoleon at St. Helena. It exhibited ARCHIBALD SPARKE, F.R.S.L. simultaneously an exhortation, addressed to posterity, in a brief sentence, "Homme, sois pieux et bon," and with each character or letter of these words a figure of one of his soldiers, the figures being clothed in various uniforms. It would be worth while to ascertain whether such a design is really known to have been drawn by Napoleon's hand, or whether that sheet of pictures was merely an invention. H. KREBS. THE COLONELS OF THE 24TH REGIMENT. (See ante, pp. 87, 111, 127, 149, 170.)-Hon. D. Finch, C.B., General.-Colonel 24th Regiment, 1856-61; served with 15th Hussars in the Peninsula (medal and three clasps); Military Secretary to Lord Combermere in W. Indies, in Ireland, and in India, including siege and capture of Bhurtpoe in 1825 (mentioned in dispatches, Brevet Lieut.Colonel and C.B.). Died 1861. Pringle Taylor, K.H., General.-Colonel 24th Regiment, 1861-84. Served with the late 22nd Light Dragoons in India, 1811-20. Commanded the Cape Corps Cavalry against the Kaffirs, 1823-4; sent to restore discipline in a mutinous regiment at Malta; commanded a Brigade in British Kaffraria during the Kaffir alarm, 1856-7; Lieut.-Governor and commanding the troops in Jamaica, 1860-61. Died 1884. Sir C. H. Ellice, G.C.B.-Ensign Coldstream Guards, 10 May, 1839; 1845 exchanged to 24th Regiment, and rose to Lieut.-Colonel, 1851; raised the present 2nd Battalion in 1858; Colonel South Wales Borderers, April, 1888. Died 12 Nov., 1888. B. LEACH, Lieut.-Col., Commanding 1/24th Regt., South Wales Borderers. St. Lucia Barracks, Bordon, Hants. man; The man said: "Am I your debtor ?" 66 as you can, And then I will let you a better." A hearty welcome gives a genial zest, SOUTH CAROLINA UNIFORM.-Could any reader inform me what would be the uni form of a Secretary of State for South Carolina previously to the American War ? I am anxious to identify a miniature. P. D. M. MEDIEVAL COMMON SENSE.-The following appeared recently in The Birmingham Daily Post report of proceedings in the City Coroner's Court : "A SENSIBLE RULE.-There were four cases of deaths of infants from over-laying. Remarking on these, the Coroner said he was....told by.... a very learned man... ...of the Catholic faith, that he once came across an old service of the Catholic Church which was in use on the Continent some time in the Middle Ages, which showed that when a child was taken to be christened there was an exhortation addressed by the priest to the sponsors and parents, and one of the points in that exhortation was that the parents should not have the child with them in bed until it was able to say, 'Get thou farther from me.' was an uncommonly sensible rule, and if it were in force in this country now it would save many children's lives." That Can any of your readers favour me with further and more precise information with regard to the exhortation referred to ? A. C. C. REV. THOMAS GALE.-In the account of Thomas Gale, Dean of York (1697–1702), as given in the 'D.N.B.,' he is said to have left four sons, two of whom are separately described in the Dictionary,' while a third is said to have been Rector of Scruton. But of the fourth, Thomas, no particulars are given. Can any one tell me if he can be identified with Thomas Gale, who was curate of Hornsea in 1732, in which year the place was wrecked by a violent hurricane? He appears to have married as his first wife the widowed daughter of William Lambert, vicar 1675-1721, and to have remained on during the incumbency of the non-resident successor. In a description of the storm, partly given in the Parish Register, it is recorded that "he, the curate, went running over to the house of a neighbour with a young child in his shirt lap, saying, This is all I have left,' supposing the others to have been killed, the end of the vicarage and its roof having been blown off. This hurricane had such extraordinary effects that I may give the full account of it at a future date, should it be thought worthy of a place in N. & Q.' A Thomas Gale was Vicar of Withernwick, five miles distant, 1715-16, but that does not help the inquiry. I wish to know what became of Thomas Gale of Hornsea, for he did not die in that parish. E. L. H. TEW, Vicar of Hornsea 1872-97. Upham Rectory, Hants. [We should welcome the account of the storm kindly suggested.] KNIGHTS TEMPLARS AND KNIGHTS OF ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM TEMP. EDWARD II. In an old book recently sent me it is stated that there were lists of the names of the members of these Orders in the reign of Edward II., and that these had been printed in some one of Prinn's works. An examination of the printed works and manuscripts of that author at the British Museum and in New York fails to reveal the lists. The writer would greatly appreciate any infor. mation as to where such lists may be found, either printed or in manuscript form. JOHN ROSS DELAFIELD. 27, Cedar Street, New York City. THE MAGISTRATES WEARING HATS ON BENCH.-About the middle of the last century it was the custom of the London police magistrates to wear their hats in court. This is borne out by the representations of the interior of police courts in The Illustrated London News. I mention particularly a woodcut in the issue of that paper for 17 Oct., 1846 (p. 253), representing Mr. William Bond sitting at Westminster Police Court. Was this a London custom? or did it extend to the provinces ? R. B. P. REVERSED ENGRAVING.-In a visit to Hogarth's house and grounds at Chiswick (fortunately rescued from demolition through the public spirit of a local resident, to whom all the world owes thanks) I discovered that the "Canvassing" scene-the original painting of which is in Sir John Soane's Museum— has been engraved without reversing the picture on the plate, consequently the figures are left-handed, and the group on the left of the picture appears on the right of the engraving, and vice versa. This particular engraving to which I refer is by Grignon, but on making inquiry I find that many of those engraved by Hogarth himself, or engraved jointly with another, are also reversed-that is to say, not reversed on the plate. I conclude that it was merely to avoid the trouble of making a reversed outline on the plate that this peculiarity is due. Was similar neglect common Hogarth's day? It would be deemed very bad form now to publish a ' negative engraving. E. D. T. 66 in HENRY DAVID INGLIS (1795-1835).—He brought out, under the pen-name of Derwent Conway, "A Personal Narrative of a Journey through Norway, Part of Sweden, and the Islands and States of Denmark "Constable's (Edinburgh, Miscellany," March, 1829. It contains some account of the Ballads of Norway, the Mountain Airs of Norway, "National Song of Norway, Legendary Song and Specimens of a Love Song, a Drinking Song, and a War Song, translated from the High Norse," &c. He says: "I have been at some pains in collecting the [Mountain] airs, and the words to which they are sung. Some of these are in manuscript, others I learned by ear, and have had set since returning to England, in the idea of publishing the whole, with English translations of the words, as Scandinavian melodies" (pp. 64-5). Was the collection of music ever published ? There is no copy in the British Museum. The biography of Henry David Inglis in the 'D.N.B. sadly needs revision. The following curious error remained uncorrected in the second edition : "Subsequently Inglis settled in London, and in 1837 contributed to Colburn's New Monthly Magazine his last literary work, 'Rambles in the Footsteps of Don Quixote,' with illustrations by George result of overwork, at his residence in Bayham Cruikshank. He died of disease of the brain, the Terrace, Regent's Park, on Friday, 20 March, 1835." Mr. Colburn evidently had some churchyard contributors ! ANDREW DE TERNANT. 36, Somerleyton Road, Brixton, S. W. AMERICAN SEVENTEENTH-CENTURY HISTORY.-The Commencement Oration of the Michigan University in 1892 was delivered by Mr. Justin Winsor, who dealt with the Pageant of Saint Lusson in the year 1671. Where can I find the account of this pageant, written by the Canadian Jesuit Dreuillette, one of the principal actors therein? According to Mr. Winsor, there was at least one interval in the Puritan persecution of Catholics in New England, for he tells us that, at a town near the site of the modern Augusta, a merchant opened his house to the priest and gave him the key of a room where he could, undisturbed, arrange his holy vessels and say his masses-further, that Governor Bradford provided a dinner on a certain Friday when, out of respect to his guest's religion, the table was set with fish alone. M. N. SERGEANT DUNCAN ROBERTSON'S JOURNAL.'-In 1842 there appeared at Perth "The Journal of Sergeant D[uncan] Robertson, late 92d Foot: comprising the different campaigns between the years 1797 and 1818 in Egypt, Walcheren, Denmark, Sweden, Portugal, Spain, France, and Belgium" (8vo, pp vii, 164; text contains 52,400 words). Edited (indifferently), I believe, by the minister of Dunkeld, Robertson's native town, this book was largely used by Col. Greenhill Gardyne in his fine book 'The Life of a Regiment.' Parts of Robertson's Journal' were reprinted by Mr. MacKenzie MacBride in With Napoleon at Waterloo,' 1911. There are some differences between the Journal' of 1842 and this partial reprint which suggest that Mr. MacBride used a different original, though, curiously enough, the paragraphs which he omits are the very ones pencilled out in Col. Greenhill Gardyne's copy, as if Mr. MacBride printed from some transcript of the latter, which has been in the Colonel's possession for the last sixty years. Can any reader explain this? J. M. BULLOCH. 123, Pall Mall. Is "MONGOLIAN "" SOGDIAN OR "TOKHARISH ?-In A.D. 786 a Buddhist monk from Cashmere joined with a Christian named Adam of Persia in translating a Buddhist scripture from a Mongolian text ('I-Tsing,' by Prof. Takakusu, Oxford, 1888, p. 224). When the Emperor of China found it out he stopped the work, on the ground that it created confusion between the Indian Buddha and the Syrian Messiah. I-Tsing himself (a Chinese pilgrim of the seventh century) speaks of “Turkish and Mongolian countries, such as Tukhāra and Suli" (op. cit., p. 49). Now Tukhāra was the country of the Tochari, whom Edward Meyer identifies with the Yueh-chi. They spoke a recently recovered language called Tokharish, into which the Buddhist scriptures had been translated as early as B.C. 2. Was I-Tsing's "Mongolian" this language or the neighbouring Sogdian, into which the Sutras were also translated in early times? ALBERT J. EDMUNDS. Historical Society of Pennsylvania. GLADSTONE'S INVOLVED SENTENCES.-The late Justin McCarthy in A Short History of our Own Times,' chap. x., referring to Gladstone as an orator, remarks :— "Sometimes he involved his sentence in parenthesis within parenthesis until the ordinary listener began to think extrication an impossibility; but the orator never failed to unravel all the entanglelegitimate conclusion." ments and to bring the passage out to a clear and Lord Morley in his 'Life of Gladstone,' book vii. chap. vi., referring to the same subject, says: Nor at any point in the labyrinthine evolution of his longest sentence," &c. And again : "So he bore his hearers through long chains of strenuous periods." In 'W. Allingham, a Diary' (1907), p. 336, we read : "We spoke of Gladstone's oratory: I said I thought Brougham's (whom I heard two or three times) the most like it in practised verbosity, and the long sentences out of which the speaker wound himself at last without a break." Can any reader kindly inform me whether this criticism of Gladstone was general or confined to a certain period of his life? Was it in the House of Commons or on the platform that this mode of speaking was most conspicuously adopted? The date of any speeches containing the most involved sentences would oblige. I shall be glad to know of anything that has been written on Gladstone simply as an orator. F. C. WHITE. 71, Newfoundland Road, Cardiff. BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION WANTED.I should be much obliged for any information about the following Cottons, who were educated at Westminster School: (1) Alexander, admitted 1777; (2) Edward, admitted 1778; (3) Richard, admitted 1734, aged 13; (4) Robert, admitted 1729, aged 13; (5) Robert, admitted 1750, aged 9; and (6) Thomas, admitted 1771. G. F. R. B. 6 PAGE FAMILY.-The following short pedi- ST. PANCRAS.-Where can I obtain pargree occurs in the Visitation of London ticulars of the life and martyrdom of St. under Tower Ward. Does the William Pancras at Rome ? Can any reader tell me Page described as B.A. of St. John's Col-how to obtain information as to the history lege represent the William Page who was of the old St. Pancras Church in Pancras master of Reading School, and afterwards Road? It is said to contain traces of a appointed (on 16 Jan., 1646/7) to the Rectory church built over the site of a previous one. of East Lockinge, Berks, and who died there The latter is supposed to have been built 24 Feb., 1663/4 ? I shall be glad to have any about 900, but I have no definite information. notes on this pedigree. J. G. W. FARLEY. AYLOFFE.-Can any correspondent N. & Q.' give me particulars and lineage of Mr. Serjeant Ayloffe, counsellor-at-law, whose daughter Isabella married Sir Edward Bolton of Brazeel, co. Dublin, knighted 2 Feb., 1635, Chief Baron of the Exchequer in Ireland? WILLIAM JACKSON PIGOTT. Manor House, Dundrum, co. Down. ABRAHAM WHITTAKER of Stratford in Essex married Penelope, daughter of John St. Mary's, Somers Town, N.W. [For the history of the saint the 'Catholic Encyclopædia' might be consulted, and also 'N. & Q.,' 4 S. xi. 95, 159, 264; 5 S. vii. 409; viii. 75; 7 S. vi. 123. vii. 36; 5 S. xi. ix. 91.] For the church see 4 S. v. 439; 148, 237; 8 S. vii. 388; viii. 128; Tempest of Cranbrooke in Kent, about the THE MURDER OF A PRIEST NEAR year 1800. Can any of your readers tell me anything about the ancestors of either of these families? ETHEL LANGHAM. Tempo Manor, co. Fermanagh. 1. HERODOTUS AND ASTRONOMIC GEOGRAPHY.-Can any reader refer me to any magazine article of as early a date as possible or to any scientific reference to, or logical use of, Herodotus's remark in Book II. sec. 142: "The sun, however, within this period of time [eleven thousand three hundred and forty years] on four several occasions moved from his wonted course, twice rising where he now sets, and twice setting where he now rises." 2. MUSICAL NOTATION: ASTRONOMIC SIGNS AND SCALE.-Can any of your readers refer me to any old work on musical notation wherein pictures and signs of lutes and flutes, or sun, moon, and stars, or Zodiac signs, are used as symbols of the notes ? CECIL OWEN. High School, Perth, W.A. READING. (11 S. ix. 130.) THE REV. FRANCIS LONGUET, a priest officiating at the Roman Catholic Church in Reading, was murdered on Thursday, 13 Feb., 1817. Accounts of the affair vary slightly, but in the main they agree. Longuet was in the habit of giving French lessons in the neighbourhood, and on the day when he was murdered he had visited friends at Wallingford and Pangbourne. At the former place he had been paid fees which were owing to him to the amount of thirteen guineas. On his way homeward in the evening, he called at Mr. Morton's house, near Pangbourne, on a friendly visit, and leaving there about 7 o'clock, he was found later to have been murdered near Norcot Lane, a spot which was then well outside the town of Reading, but which is at present on its confines, and is close to where the building of the Pulsometer works now stands. |