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as to the SOURCE of the conspiracy. necessary to guard the throne and the nobi-
We have no evidence at all to that point. lity against an overweight in the popular
Nor did Mr. Wood want any for his pur- scale; these trifling matters, Mr. Sturch
pose. His address only called the thing a thinks that the Livery may be permitted to
conspiracy, without saying any thing about handle freely; and also the no less trifling

in which that conspiracy originated. matters of peace and war, the extreme siinNo evidence, therefore, was wanted as to plicity of which put them within the scope the source of the conspiracy. It was suffi- of every understanding ! —But as to a cient for Mr. Wood that the Hall should be question about au Address to a Princess, convinced that there had been a conspiracy. whose ill-treatment and whose long-sufferIf it should hereafter appear who were the ing was notorious to all the world: this original hatchers of the conspiracy, Mr. was a matter too high and too complicated Sturch may then, if he likes, bring forward for the Livery to meddle with :-1, for my a motion relative to them. Mr. Wood's part, should have thought, that this was, Address appears to have had no such object of all others, a matter with regard to which in view. -But Mr. STURCH disapproved the Livery were competent to decide. It of the Citizens of London meddling with was a question clear in the understanding, matters of this kind. Hc highly approved, s' and coming home to the heart of every he said, of their discussing questions of Par-sound-minded and sound-hearted man. It liamentary Reform and of Peace and War, was a question, upon which no man could but, he asked, “Why should the Livery possibly be in error. There was no rooin “ decide, whether Captain Manby did or for subtlety or doubt ; and the only point " did not kiss the Princess of Wales go'. upon which a difference of opinion could Perhaps Mr. Sturch meant this for wit, and, possibly exist was this: whether the motion if so, let it, in that respect, pass for its full for an Address was called for by sound worth; but, taking it in a plain common sense as well as by justice. -Perhaps, sense sort of way, I must say that it is one Mr. Sturch might mean, that a question of the poorest attempts at perversion that of this sort was beneath the Livery to enI have ever met with. * Why should tertain; that the questions as to Parliamen“ the Livery decide, &c. ?" But, Mr. tary Reform, Peace and War, and the like, Sturch, why should you ask such a ques- were rendered proper by their importance ; tion, when you well know, that they were and that the present question degraded the nol, by Mr. Wood's motion, called upon Livery by its want of importance. If to decide any such point? The Address Mr. STURCH is ready to avow, that the talked not of kissing; the Address was not conduct of the Royal Family is of no confoolish enough to deal in any such matters; sequence to the nation; that Addresses to it said nothing of Captain Manby; nor does them, or any of them, are, at all times, it appear to have contained any thing im- under whatever circumstances, degrading plying a doubt upon any point whatever. to those who move or pass them, his oppoWas it, then, fair to endeavour so lo per- sition to Mr. Wood's Address will appear vert its tendency? Well, but Mr. consistent; but, then he should have avowSturch, while he tells the 'Livery that he ed this opinion, and not have endeavoured disapproves of their discussing of questions to disguise his real ground of objection unof this kind, is obliging enough to point out der a plea of want of light, deficiency of to them what kind of questions he does ap- evidence, and a mis-statement about kissing prove

of their discussing; which (to speak and Caplain Manby. On the other hand, as mildly as possible of it) might as well if Mr. Sturch is not ready to avow such an have spared by a gentleman, who, ac opinion ; if he allow, that Addresses precording to his own account, appeared be sented by the City upon the recovery of the fore the Livery for the first time. — The King; upon his escape from the pen-knife questions, however, which he does approve of a mad woman, and from the bullet of a of their discussing, are such as relate to mad man; if Mr. Sturch allow, that these Parliamentary Reform, to Peace and War, Addresses were not degrading to the City and the like. Yes, these trifling con- of London, upon whal ground, I am curicerns, the changing of the state of the re- ous to know, can he build an objection to

presentation, the arrangements indispensa- an Address to the Princess upon her escape vil bly necessary to a different mode of collect from what all the world is ready to desig

ing the voices of the people, the settling of nate a foul and detestable conspiracy ? Mr. the points as to who shall and who shall not Alderman Shaw said, and he said it manyote at elections, the making of provisions fully, that, speaking as a magistrate, he

viewed the evidence against the Princess as presumptuous enough to attempt to meddle being, from beginning to end, a tissue of between man and wife; and the anecdote perjury and subornalion. How great, then, of Alderman Curtis, though full of characmust her danger have been! And, shall teristic wit, was not at all applicable to the it be thought degrading to the Citizens of point. The Address was not stupid enough London to express their pleasure at her to take off, or to hint at, a restoration to conescape, and also to express their abhorrence jugal felicity. The Address was no humof the perjured and suborned accusers ? drum thing from Doctors' Commons, talk-The object of an Address is to expressing about marriage vows and excommunithe sentiments of those who


it. There cation. It was called an attempt to force is nu immediate practical effect contemplat- the parties to a reconciliation. It does not ed; and to ask what good such an Address appear to have contained even a bint of the can do, is to challenge the propriety of all sort; and all the speeches in opposition to the Addresses that ever were presented in it seem to have been made, to have been the world. Plain, sound sense said, that got up ready prepared, upon the presumpthis was an occasion for the people to ex: tion it would contain some complaint about press their sentiments; a love of truth, a there being two beds for one married coulove of justice and fair-play; compassion ple. Upon any other supposition the for a suffering and friendless woman; the speeches are incomprehensible; for not one sentiments natural to husbands, fathers, word does the Address appear to have consons, and brothers; all the good, all the tained upon the subject of reconciliation. kind, all the generous feelings of the heart, Mr. Wood very judiciously confined rose in an unanimous clamour against the himself to applause of the conduct of the objections of-Mr. Sturch, who, though Mr. Princess and abhorrence of her perjured Waithman called him his excellent friend, and suborned traducers, leaving the quesand spoke of his great exertions in the cause tion of reconciliation, and all other matters

of liberty in Westminster, will, I imagine, between the illustrious parties themselves, - not fail to profit from the lesson he that day totally untouched upon. With what received. Indeed, I cannot help thinking, reason, then, was it that Mr. Waithman that he must have been, in some sort, chose to represent the object to be reconcipressed into the service. He has long been liation and harmony?-However, if this an active man in Westminster, and, being had been the real object, in what way does so, he seems to have thought, that there this gentleman think it could have been was no necessity for his interference in the more likely to be attained? The Address City of London, where he did not reside; sealed the innocence of the Princess ; it deand, it is, on his own account, greatly to be clared the conviction of the Citizens of lamented, that this particular occasion London, that she was innocent, and that should have been selected for a departure she was worthy of their admiration and from his usual course. -We now come loyal affection. Was this likely to "widen to the speech of MR. WATHMAN, who evi. 'the breach,” Mr. Waithman? Do you dently started under the pressure of the dis- think, that the Prince would be less discouragement given by the fate of the speech posed to a reconciliation, because the Citiof Mr. STURCH. He confessed, that he zens of London had shown, that they howas one of those, who had in vain endea- noured and admired the Princess ? If

you voured to dissuade Mr. Wood from his pur- do, you must suppose His Royal Highness pose; and, it will not fail to strike the to have a most singular taste.- -But, Mr. reader as a little singular, that, in this re- Waithman went further, and said, that this spect, Mr. Waithman should have earnestly was not the way to accelerate redress. laboured to the same end as Mr. Alderman By redress he, of course, meant a removal Alkins; and, if Mr. Waithman profits from of the obstructions to the visits between the his ill-success upon this occasion, he will Princess and her Daughter, together, perin the end be a gainer; because, it will haps, with soine steps relative to an estateach him to avoid such unnatural co-ope- blishment. And why, pray, why, rations in future.- Mr. WAITHMAN ob- should not this Address tend towards the served, that this was not the way to acce- producing of the desired effect? Supposing lerale redress and promole reconciliation; such an effect to have been its ultimate aim, and, he afterwards said, that the object why should it not tend towards the producwas reconcilialion and harmony. Beg- ing of it? The Address appears to conging his pardon, the Address professed io tain not a syllable calculated to offend either have no such object. The Address was not the Prince or his Ministers. It appears to contain not a hint calculated to sting the he reproved the Livery for being wanting pride or to wound any feeling of either. in the same way; and, i cannot help thinkIt simply pronounces an opinion of the ing, that his observation, that he did not wickedness of the conspirators against the “ desire the Livery to submit to his opiPrincess, and of her own innocence and “nions if they thought their own beller," worthiness; and, I should be glad to know would have been full as well omitted ; for, from any one holding the opinions of Mr. it appears to me, that the bare idea of a Waithman, what he could imagine more possibility of their submitting to his opilikely to lead to final redress.-- -If Mr. nions upon any other ground, or from any Waithman means say, that to ask for other consideration, than that of a convicredress by means of Addresses is not the tion of the correctness of those opinions, way to obtain it; if he means this as a ge- must appear extremely degrading to the neral proposition, I should be glad to know body whom he was addressing. But, what may have been his views in the nume- as to the opinion itself, of which we have rous addresses which he has brought for last spoken ; namely, that the Address ward in Common Halls? Did he not ex

was unnecessary, because the whole nation pect thereby to accelerate redress? Yes, entertained the opinions expressed in the surely, or else we must attribute to him Address. As to this opinion, I say, how motives, which were certainly foreign from will it square with the conduct of Mr. his heart. And, if he, by means of Ad- Waithman upon former occasions, and how dresses, has so often entertained the hope will it square with reason and common of accelerating redress, upon what grouud sense? Let Mr. Waithman look back to can he now say, that Addresses are not cal- the Common Halls where he has been the culated to answer that purpose?—Mr. proposer of Addresses and Petitions, and Waituman reproved the Livery for not he will find, not only, that the Halls were paying respect to Mr. Sturch's remarks, assembled because the general feeling of which, he said, flowed from a well-inform- the nation went with the sentiments ined understanding. I will not quarrel with tended to be embodied into the Addresses the grammar of the phrase, which may or Petitions, but that, on almost every oc. have suffered under the hands of the Re- casion, those who have supported those porter; but, before Mr. Waithman reprov- Addresses and Petitions have boasted that ed the Livery thus, and applauded Mr. they had the nation with them, an asserSturch's sentiments, he should have consi- tion which has not unfrequently found its dered, whether he himself was prepared to way into the Addresses and Petitions themback those sentiments with his own; or, at selves. But, now, behold, an Address Jeast, he should have made up his mind not to is unnecessary because it only expresses the oppose the Address upon grounds precisely sentiments of the whole nation Did the cortrary of the grounds of Mr. Sturch. Common Sense ever before suggest such an

-This latter gentleman said, the ques- objection to a Common Hall, or to any tion was premature, that it was not ripe body else possessed of the faculty of rea(which is the same thing); he wanted more soning? When, at the time of the Ginevidence'; he wished to wait for additional tra Convention, and at that of the Walchelight; and, upon these grounds he opposed ren Expedition, Mr, Waithman came forthe Address. But, Mr. Waithman, who ward with Addresses to the King, what had reproved the Livery for not paying would he have said to any one, who should respect to these sentiments of his excellent have objected to the addresses as unnecesfriend, so far from thinking the question sary, because the whole nation entertained unripe ; so far from wanting more evidence the same sentiments as those contained in and more light, thought the Address un- the Addresses ? In short, adopt this new necessary, because " The whole nation was maxim of Mr. Waithman, and you have “6 united in one sentiment that Her Royal left no rational mode of seeking redress but " Highness was as innocent as her accusers that of open resistance by force of arms; for 56 were guilly;" so that he opposed the when the general sentiment of the nation is Address because the question was over-rip, not for a demand of redress, it is clear, and because there was no more light to be that it will not be granted to the applicathrown upon the subject. Considering, tions of a few; and, if it be, then, imtherefore, how widely he differed from his proper to demand redress when all the naexcellent friend; considering how little tion are of a mind, it follows, of course, respect he himself paid to that friend's sen- that the ouly way left of obtaining redress timents, he should have been cautious how is, that of physical forte.--Into what


inconsistencies, into what absurdities, men since I was about 12 years old, but the two plunge themselves, when once they are, first lines of which have frequently occurfrom whatever cause, induced to quit the red to me through life : straight path Mr. Waithman, as if

“ Envy, eldest born of hell, not content to differ completely with Mr. “ Cease in human breasts to dwell !" Sturch as to the grounds of opposing the I would fain have forborne to express these Address, and as if resolved to deprive his sentiments; but they are extorted from me friends of all possible means of defending by the love of that truth, which was never his consistency upon this memorable occa- yet, under any circumstances, sacrificed sion, seems to have gone out of his way as disguised to ultimate advantage.-SIR it were for the deliberate purpose of differ- Wm. Curtis and S18 JAMES Shaw and Me. ing from himself. What the Devil (for Atkins all allowed, and indeed, most exI must ascribe it to some supernatural plicitly declared, that the Princess was inagency); what the Devil, I say, had he to nocent ; and had been most cruelly and do with the proposing of " 2 Resolution foully treated; but, they said, that this " declaratory of the complete acquittal of being notorious to the whole nation, any " the Princess of Wales,” after he himself proceeding on the part of the Citizens of had objected to the Address ; after he him. London was unnecessary; and they, thereself had declared the Address unnecessary, fore, moved to dissolve the Hall. - Their because " the whole nation was united in conduct, though I disagree with them in

one sentiment that Her Royal Highness opinion, was perfectly consistent. They

was as innocent as her accusers were thought, that it was a matter with which guilty!" Could such a proposition the Citizens of London ought not to medhave originated in any thing short of the dle. Therefore, said, lel us separate. suggestion of some malicious demon, bent -But, Mr. Waithman, while he thought upon the destruction of this gentleman's the Address unnecessary, because the whole well-earned fame ? — The Address was, nation were agreed as to the innocence of it appears, much too delicate as well as to the Princess, yet proposed a resolution of dignified to entertain even the idea that a his own as being necessary to declare that doubt of her Royal Highness's innocence very innocenceThis was so palpably had ever existed in the minds of those who inconsistent, that it was impossible it were addressing her. It sets out (if the should escape the observation of any one above substance of it be correct), with as- present; there was such a manifest desire suring Her Royal Highness that the senti- to take the thing out of the hands of Mr. ments of the City of London towards her Wood; there was, in short, so evident an have never undergone any change ; it then unfairness, to say nothing of the folly, in reprobates those who have conspired against the attempt, that the Livery appear to her; it next expresses admiration of her have resented it in a very decided manner; forbearance and magnanimity; and it con- whereupon, as if to make bad worse, Mr. cludes with expressing a hope that the na. Waithman is reported to have said, that tion will be happy under the young Prin. " he was sorry, that his well-weighed opicess, who will have had the advantage of "nions were in opposition to the general such a mother's example.--This Mr. " sentiment so hastily adopled.And how Waithman would, it seems, have turned did Mr. Waithman happen to learn, that into a verdict of acquittal ; or, rather, into this general sentiment had been hastily a sort of vulgar congratulation upon an adopted ? The persons present had all escape out of a court of justice.- - Ac- had the saine time and opportunity that he quittal ! The word itself, as applied to had had of forming their opinions upon the Princess, is an insult. When and every thing relative to the case of her Roywhere and by whom and for what was she al Highness the Princess of Wales; and, ever TRIED? And, if never tried, how as to the simple point, whether his resolu. can she be said to have been acquitted ? tion was to oust Mr. Wood's Address, there

-It is not, however, with the words required little inore time to decide upon that I am displeased so much as with the that than is required to decide upon a choice tendency and manifest spirit of the propo- between ugliness and beauty. -Besides, sition, the object of which clearly was to mind the convenient doctrine that this reget rid of the Address proposed by Mr. proof implies. The proposer must, of Wood; or, in other words, and to speak course, generally have weighed his propoplainly, to defeat Mr. Wood. I remem- sition before-hand; so that, if his propober a little poem, which I have not read sition does not go down, he can always,

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with as much propriety and modesty as interpolation of the Courier's reporter; for Mr. Waithman, accuse the assembly of it does hold forth such an aristocratic idea; hastily rejecting what he has well weighed. it is so hostile to the well-known rights of

But, in sober sadness, did Mr. Waith- the Livery of London; it has its birth in a man imagine, that the Livery were to wait sentiment so congenial with the practices of in the Hall all day in order to show respect corporation encroachments, borough corto his well-weighed opinions? Or, did he ruptions, and all the means by which popresume that they were to go home and pular representation and the people's rights come again after having, out of respect to have been undermined and destroyed; it him, taken time to consider and to weigh implies so much contempt for the judgment his weighty proposition? There is some- and virtue of the people, and so much arthing so absurd in all this, that, really, rogance in one who owes all the little polione is almost tempted to believe, that the tical power he has to their voice ; and it is, speaker's head was gone at the time when besides, in such direct contradiction to the he uttered it. I am happy to perceive whole course of the political life of Mr. that I am drawing fast to a close of Mr. Waithman, who has called, I believe, Waithman's speech; for it gives me sin- more common Halls than any other man cere pain to be compelled to notice in it now alive, and who has repeatedly been these unaccountable inconsistencies.--He the cause of putting upon record declara: hoped, he said, that the Livery would pre- tions of Common Hails, that the Livery serve its character for purity and wisdom. ought to be received by the King upon the

- These qualities are of a nature widely Throne as well as the Common Council, different, and should not have been thus that I really am filled with astonishment joined by what grammarians call the copu- that he should have said any thing liable to lative conjunction. The Livery may be such an interpretation; and I must say, þure and wise; but, they might be wise that I shall not be able to bring myself to and not pure. Purity may exist without believe it, until I have better authority wisdom; and wisdom may exist without than that which any news-paper can give. purity; at least, this may be the case in I have now gone through all the mathe usual sense of the words, and the sense terial parts of this debate. To be obliged in which they are here employed; because, to make remarks such as I have made upon if wisdom is to embrace the quality of righ- the speeches of Messrs. STURCH and Waitu: teousness, then Mr. Waithman has made man is by no means pleasant; but, what I use of it superfluously. -Taking it for have said the case imperiously called for, granted, then, that he meant purity as the and I am satished that I have done no more contrary of corruption, and wisdom as the than what strict duty demanded at my contrary of folly, I would, if I had been hands. present, certainly have taken the liberty to

WM. COBBETT. ask him how he had been able to discover Bolley, 7th April, 1813. any thing of the nature of corruption to be practised or accomplished through the means of the Address proposed by Mr. , LETTERS OF LORD MOIRA AND MR. WHITWood; and how it was likely that the

BREAD, KELATIVE TO THE PRINCESS OF Livery should lose its character for purity Wales. by agreeing to that Address.

And, I would also have taken the liberty to ask Letter of Lord Moira to the head Freehim, whether folly appeared more conspicuous in that Address than in a proposition to declare, in the shape of a resolution,


OF LORD MOIRA AND the innocence of the Princess, when, by

Mr. WHITBREAD. the rejection of the Address, such a decla

March 23,

1813. ration had been previously declared to be My dear Sir,- The difficulty of caking wholly unnecessary. I am truly grieved down, with accuracy, in the House of to observe by the report, in the Courier, Lords, what is said by any individual, as that Mr. Waithman said, that he thought the reporters are not allowed to make notes, the Address, if proposed at all, ought to has occasioned the account of what passed have been proposed in the Common Coun- there yesterday to be incorrect in many of cil and not to the Livery at large. I the papers.

I am thence anxious to detail say, I am truly grieved to observe this, to you the substance of the explanation and I would now fain hope, that it is an given by me, that you may communicate



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